I Hear You Loud and Clear! But Whats the Message?
58You Did What?
I thought to myself this morning as the idea came pouring forth in my brain, did I really want to go there. Oh well...lets go there!
Having grown children with their own children now, I sit back and watch as they learn to discipline their children. I say learn as we all know there is no rule book and if you went by every Dr. Spock that has offered their advice, my goodness, our kids would be really messed up as there would be a new message every time you turned around on how to discipline your child.
Recently big news hit the airwaves concerning a father who found a horrible letter on face book from his daughter, full of cussing, and speaking so disrespectful about her family. Dad had just spent the day before upgrading her computer and spending quite a bit of money on it. He was mortified. His way of disciplining her was to read her letter on YouTube, then shoot her computer with his gun! I have put the YouTube video on a link below for your viewing pleasure. However, please keep reading…save dessert for last!
Now for my thoughts, right or wrong, just know we are all different in how we discipline our children. I was raised very strict; Dad was a first Sargent in the military. You must get the picture! I had to make my bed and do chores. Poor me! I used to forget to put my bra up...yep my bra...one day my dad says to me..."one day you are going to be very embarrassed if I catch you leaving your bra out." I guess he did not want to see my personal items in full view! Any way...what did I do...I left my bra lying out on my bed. I walked home from school with my friends one day, and there was my dad sitting on the front porch wearing my bra! He never yelled, but in fact was downright friendly. "Hey this fits nicely," he said laughing. I looked at my friend in horror. Speaking very quickly, "It is my bra. Not his! He said if I left it out again he would embarrass me!" I did not want them to think my dad was a cross dresser...I mean already they knew at that moment he is just crazy! The bottom line is this. I never once left my bra out again. Did his method work ...yes it did! Did it fit into Dr. Spock’s book of discipline…probably not!
Would I put a bullet through my child’s computer and then post it on YouTube? No, I would not! I say this because there are crazy parents out there with absolutely no parenting skills. This only gives them an idea that having a gun and shooting up their children's possessions is okay! To me it sends the wrong message. Would an unstable parent know where the lines are drawn? The child did receive a message; however what message did she hear?
Reading the letter on YouTube was short of brilliant in my opinion! Yes my lovely daughter...you want to post these things openly about our family and make us look like horrible people... we will let the whole world see just what you are made of. Maybe then you will clean up your potty mouth and ask forgiveness for speaking so ill of your family.
This was one angry teen! It is hard to fathom that she would actually sit and listen to a nice little talk about how she hurt her parents...Seriously...Hearing this letter read aloud first hand with her listening to her venom, and all the world to see may cause her to think about what she did. Words hurt!
Okay I am ready! Let me have it...What do you think?
Sunnie Day
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Hi Sunnie,
I think the father reading his daughter's letter on youtube was fine. He gave her a dose of her own medicine. Shooting the computer was going to far though.
Sunnie, Wow, unbelievable! I hope that family's confrontation doesn't keep escalating. You never know what happens behind closed doors.
On a different note, I guess that your dad knew how to embarrass you! He's in my mind as Burt of Burt and Birdie fame, so I'm still reeling at the image of a younger Burt sitting on the porch in your bra for all to see. Yikes! I'm shutting down that image; it's too much for me; I can't stop laughing.
Kind regards, Stessily
Hey Sunnie - I wanted to let you know that at first - I ran to show the girls and say "what's your take"? Then I thought - Ew - there's lots of bad language in there! Lol. So I started out slow - saying there's this video about this family - the 10 year old said "oh the bullet, I already saw it!" omg! Wow! The 12 year old had not seen it. The whole family watched it together! Sorry to say - seems that family has let the world learn a good lesson from their mistakes.
My husband thought it was shocking and while he knows teens can make us go crazy in our minds - he thought it was violent and over the top. The kids however said they would never ever say things like that about us....but they thought if the girl really had that many chores they'd be unhappy too. So mixed bag - they said their feelings would be hurt if their dad did that to them.
Great - excellent learning experience for my whole family. Thank you for sharing!
Sunnie: Thank you for posting this hub especially for posting the video. You know that I am a loving Christian and follow Jesus teachings about "LOVE" even loving my enemy. The father in the video absolutely did the right thing in His situation. I can see he understands what "Tough Love" is all about.
I'm not saying that I condone gunplay but sometimes strong measures must be taken to get either our point or God's point across to thers be they family or strangers.
Shooting the computer was way too extreme, reading the letter on youtube was clever and would have been effective in it's own right, unfortunately the focus now is on the shooting!
thank you for sharing and your dad in the bra really made me laugh!
SD - Blast away? No but the little witch wouldn't be able to sit down for quite some time without a pillow under her disrespectful little tush.
The Frog
Gosh Sunnie - I have 3 girls and I just don't know what to think about this! I do think there might be some underlying issues and what a train wreck it's become. My oldest is 23 and while she has caused me to become very angry she never did anything even close to being that disrespectful! Now she had a job at 15 1/2 - the legal age here to get a work permit. She wanted the job - I didn't make her get it but it was understood that if she wanted lots of extra stuff she had to buy it herself and keep her grades up.
I know I would never ever have read that letter on YouTube though. Personally, I do think I understand the man's frustration but humiliating that kid is probably not going to help. I feel for both of them and the damage for both parties - I just can't imagine one of my kids being sooooo angry with me - I think even my 10 year old would know better! I'm really glad you posted this though - I'll be thinking about it and will count it as a learning experience! I've got two under 13 still! Yikes! I'm gonna let them see the video and see what they say!
i was in a family where there was no disciplining at all.Not that Dad was not concerned .He was with us kids every step of our life but anything he wanted to say just given as a suggestion."this is what i suggest ,the rest you decided"which was at times so very painful at times since one wondered why he did not interfere ,"did he care less for us than those that did?"was often the question.
H let us make loads of mistakes and in the end it all worked out just as he had wanted.
i brought up my children the same way and just on two or three occasion had shouting matches with my children and till date regret the day they took place.but in the end they have worked out ok too.Guess its "different strokes" all right.
btw wish they had you tube back then.would have loved to see a video of your Dad in that bra!!!!
Wow Sunnie ~ why don't you prompt some great discussion, ha. Well done. I must say that I love the title of this piece as well. I can only comment from an "auntie" perspective but I definitely feel shooting the laptop was extreme. Would I have done something like the video, probably. Even now that only two of my nieces and nephews are under 18, I still will speak up if I feel any of the kids are doing something disrespectful. Thanks for this thought-provoking piece.
Sharyn
You know I almost have to agree with his actions. They may have been a bit extreme but obviously so have her behaviors. My husband showed me the video the other day so I had had time to thnink about it prior to reading your hub. This was a good one.
wow wow wow!
First of all, your Dad in a bra had me totally cracking me up! This story is something else! She will certainly not forget it and I'm sure one of her friends at school has already shown it to her from their iphone. This dad is not going to take crap from anybody - wow! I was more impressed with him reading her letter and his response. I was not too crazy about him shooting the laptop. It did raise concerns that maybe there is an underlying issue here - I sincerely hope that is not the case. If there isn't....well, way to go Dad!
Thank you for sharing - I am definitely sending this one to my co-workers at my middle school.
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Hello Sunnie, Gosh it's been a while, and I beg your forgiveness for my absence and procrastination. No excuses, just good to connect again. Nice job with your thoughts above. It is kind of crazy what parents do sometimes. If well thought out, their reaction to our misbehaving can be a blessing, but erratical, and angry reactions can do harm that lasts a lifetime. I got suspended from school once, (well more than once) for fighting. My father, a golden glove boxer, had me lace up his gloves, my little sister lace up mine, and we went a few rounds out in the garage. Did it help? I don't think so but I love my dad anyway. Thanks for the hub and bringing back some memories. I can smile at it now. :)
Kim, may I repeat myself in here? But before I do this, I must LOL at your father's method of discipline - so funny, with a lovely sense of humor. My father used to do the same kind of thing most of the times... making fun of us... embarrassing us with his tongue in his cheek and love in his heart. But there was one incident similar than this one we are discussing....
Wearing jeans was a 'sin' in 'my days' and forbidden in our home. But Me the Rebel... So on D-day my father caught me red handed in the café, where I looked ever so sexy in my best friend's jeans and a white country-blouse knotted firmly around my waste... In front of all my friends I was ordered to go home. I still remember my father's words: "I give you 10 minutes to go home, and I want to see that jean on the kitchen table with a pair of sharp scissors!" I had to witness his brutal act of destroying my friend's jeans! Today I laugh about this, but believe me I was devastated and more than ever filled with resentment.
This is actually such a tragedy! Most teenagers are really not able to appreciate the privileges they have. They are simply NOT able to. And then to have a father too stern and not at all able to understand a teenager not to talk about knowing how to approach her in such a way that she turns her best side to him.... Well, I don't want to judge, but I do believe many, many parents need guidance... courses.... even compulsory courses covering the upbringing of children. My heart goes out to the teenager; I, too, would have been a rebel in her shoes. The father is the adult, he should find a way to make his daughter bloom with love and respect for him.
I am in the minority! I might have shot her computer and posted the entire thing.
It is more likely I would have shot something that looked like her computer, though. Why waste good technology when you can sell it instead? Put the money in a college fund for the spoiled brat.
This father doesn't have emotional issues. Nor does he have parenting issues. Just my opinion mind you. What he has is a spoiled child who believes she is grown and the world, including her parents owe her a living. She lives in a virtual world where she thinks what she says won't come back to bite her, now they have.
Tough!
She has learned a hard lesson about accountability. Perhaps now she can start to learn some lessons about real responsibility and taking ownership for her words and actions.
Great hub,thank you for posting it. I would not have shot the laptop as it teaches violence & that it's ok to be that way. I would have taken away all the fun things like TV,computer,cellphone etc. I think the dad's feelings were very hurt that he reacted that way. I think conseling would benefit all involved. I was too scared when I was a teen to talk about my parents that way. I respected them & loved them way too much too behave that way.
great post...love this..but i would not shoot the computer!!
OMG, What to say? I don't know what i would do, but i know for sure that i would never humiliate my child in this manner. I would be mad as H*** and privileges would be gone, maybe see a child Phychiatrist. The Dad needs help too..BIG TIME.. Cheers
You're a card, Sunnie. I like the sound of your dad, that is something I would do.
Don't think much of the bloke with the gun, he should have been jailed though i see the point of course.
I am convinced teens are a race apart and there's no doing anything with them
Bob
It seems there was a lot of permissiveness that lead up to this point of combustion. A show of violence promotes violence and to destroy a valuable possession only teaches a child that items are disposable. Removing all of her electronics including music devices and about a month grounded with only her family seems a smarter idea. In my own opinion, the best discipline is a parent who teaches and requires respect and love from birth. It seems hardly likely that this was the girl's first outburst.
I have been known to be pretty strict with my teenagers, but I'd never go to this extreme! This man has some pretty serious mental health issues, I think. Because of her father, I think the girl will have some serious mental health issues, too.
I have to jump on Lord's band-wagon here.. but sometimes you just got to go there! a crazy hub but you went there :)
Hello, Mr. Parenting here. You obviously pawn the computer, pocket the money, give the daughter the pawn ticket, tell what the chores are that will earn that much money and let events unfold as they will. These things are so easy. lol
Footnote: you don't shot the computer
Diffcult situation indeed. My father was a severe disciplinarian, so this kind of reaction wouldn't have been so uncommon to me.
Children today seem to be more selfish than before, and there are many factors for it. Our culture perpetuates disrespect, and it revels in it. By introducing the gun, the father took it to level that diminished his position in the situation. Awesome hub, but I doubt you could take a switch to your grandbabies. You might use it on your hubby, but not your grandkids...
Sunnie, there is definitely a problem. I was on here for less than ten minutes before I figured it out. Flora has notified them.
I have seen kids and girls actually live a whole new life on FB. I know them well and they know I do. Some do worst things than this girl. No need mentioning in here. He was right for being angry. But it is what it is..He was raised to take the law in his own arms and I don't blame him. Same like Muslim daughters that get stabbed to death by a psychotic dad. I agree with Vincent. He shoul've grounded her for more than 6 months. I could've have given ideas... but, I can see his anger and he did what he thought was right! Hope parents wake up and see what's behind this bull blocking from youngsters toward their parents.
LORD
I agree with Becky.. and I would not shoot her computer. but she would be grounded for life.. with no computer ever from me.. Sunnie.. I am going to share this on Facebook.. great job.. I remember when I had things I hd to do with I was a kid if I didn't do them then I got a spanking.. I was taught how to work. and take care of a house and cook... which I am so thankful for .
voted all the way up.. and this is an awesome hub.
Debbie
I totally agree with him that it was a very disrespectful thing to do and she should not have done it. If I had caught one of my children doing that, they would have never used a computer again in my house. They would also find out what chores are, as I would have doubled them while she was grounded for the next month.
Shooting the computer would have not happened. She would never have seen it again because I would have sold it.
Kids now think that chores are for their parents to do. My kids have all complained about them because 'Their friends don't have to do chores.' Mine do chores.
We had a 17 year old girl stay with us when we were just married. I was very pregnant and her parents were in our church. Her mother was screeching 'I'm not going to put up with her any more' and they kicked her out of the house. Perhaps if her mother had treated her with a little respect, she would not have had a problem. They had 8 kids and didn't get along with any of them.
We took her in until she could graduate and turn 18. Just a couple of months. She was a big help as she took over cleaning the bathroom. I had a problem getting the tub done because I had a 7 month belly.
I still think of her 25 years later, and wonder how she is doing. She quit writing us after about a year
I so agree with your thoughts. While one could debate about whether shooting the laptop was a step too far... his emotions can be understood. While I am not a dad who craves 'respect' I do hope the shared love makes the children think before they act. Hormones aside, ranting and cussing on social media about one's parents is no way behaviour one could condone.
Understanding boundaries of behavior and sharing them is the hardest part of parenting. While I ain't no discipline maniac I do want mutual respect and social grace from my children.
Nice food for reflection! voted up!
Well I am of two minds about his reaction and ending it with shooting up her laptop. But let me first say that any child of mine who would do what she did on line I know I would have been very angry as well. How I would handle it would be how I felt at the time. I get angry easily and react without sleeping on it for 24hrs. I learned the hard way by jumping to conclusions to quickly.
His daughter is complaining a lot about the chores she has to do and I must confess it sure sounds like she is either over reacting or maybe she is doing way to much for the average teenager and then trying to have a social life as well. However, chores should be taken care of. Heck my parents had chores for me to do after school, in the evening and every morning. I understood all that and did them. I didn't go to my room and write a nasty letter about being overworked and mailed it to all my friends. Yes remember those days, snail mail and actually writing letters? LoL
Her dad was very angry and after spending the money on the software that produced the letter she posted, he took it in his own hands to react the way he did. I probably would have done the same, but shoot up her puter, nah I would have just taken it away from her for a spell and possibly emptied her hard drive not emptied my gun on it.
Nicely done Sunnie, I hope she got the message. LoL
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Sunnie Day Hub Author 3 months ago
Hi Sue,
I think many are on the same page as we are...I wonder how all that turned out? I do hope they restored their relationship.
Thanks Sue ;)
Sunnie